Episode 3: Noah Tucker & Anthony Joseph "We Can Do Better"

In 2017, the Black Expat released a series of video interviews with Black folks living their cross cultural lives in the Netherlands and Canada.  While we always get a ton of questions following a feature,  it was these two that probably sparked the most.   Everyone wanted to know about the guys who then had that soul food spot, otherwise known as  Staring at Jacob’s, in Amsterdam. Pretty sure it was the featured the chicken and waffles in the trailer had people who hooked.

Accomplished chefs Noah Tucker and Anthony Tucker had both worked in Michelin kitchens around the world individually before a chance opportunity over a decade ago led to their business partnership, Fraiche Hospitality.  They’ve opened restaurants, launched books and are continually pushing the boundaries in the hospitality industry.

It’s been a few years, since we chatted but they are still at it — stretching their culinary game.  

Here are some excerpts from Amanda’s conversation with Noah & Tony.  You can listen to the full episode on Spotify,  Anchor or wherever you get your podcasts. You can can also visit The Black Expat YouTube Channel to listen in. 

For Noah & Tony’s original video feature, visit The Journey: Ep1 – Noah & Tony.

Excerpt: On Raising Kids Abroad

“So I think my kids, I don't require them to be New Yorkers, I really don't. I want them to be global citizens. I want them to, they feel like, “Oh, we’ll hit New York this summer. But, then actually we're gonna go hit Paris and go to the Louvre, and then we're gonna go see the Mona Lisa and then see some Venus Di Mallo. And then we're gonna go down to Nice and chill in Nice. So I just think we can do better. I can do better, I'm gonna try to do better for them.”

Excerpt: How Tony Met Noah

The funny thing is the day he arrived into the restaurant, somebody called me and said, "Oh, Noah's here". I walked out into the restaurant. We both looked at each other like...Noah? Tony?.. I never expected a Black guy to walk through because obviously being in the Netherlands, I didn't expect it. And especially somebody not from here. So basically did a couple of days with me. We kinda clicked. Worked really, really well. And then he was my number two for a year in the restaurant.

Then, Noah left. And then he convinced me to leave a few months later, because obviously he wanted to get into consultancy. He knew there was a possibility of owning his own restaurant My initial , thought when I first came here in 2004, was to open up a restaurant, but I didn't find anybody that was compatible with me. So I had said, I'm just solely going to be a chef. I'm gonna work until I retire as a chef... I'm not gonna even pursue it because I didn't find anybody that I knew I could work with. And then, lo and behold, Noah came along and literally convinced us to get into the restaurant game. And it's history from there.

Excerpt: On Identity

I lived in other than Ghana for a year and I went to school out there. I lived in Accra. My mother just brought me out there to make sure I had a proper definition of what Black was. Because I was 15 in New York, I had this real skewed view of what being a Black man was. And not that my father wasn't super, super crazy over the top in my life still is and still is. She was talking about as a group. How you think you are perceived. She was like, Let's go to Africa where everyone is Black, so you can get a quick reality check.

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